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April 10, 2012

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Erskine Thompson

Kim - For what it's worth, I'll happily take you on at Words With Friends or Scramble With Friends (which has quickly become my new favorite also). And I promise, I don't EVER resign a game. Like you, I feel cheated out of a victory when the opponent just resigns. That's like winning a baseball game because the other team left while losing in the 6th inning.

Kim Vandenbroucke

Leaving the game in the 6th inning --I think that's a GREAT analogy regarding how I feel about "resigning." It definitely has that "poor sportsmanship" feel to it.

Colleen McCarthy-Evans

Okay, for another perspective, so many players in these online word games (I play FB Scrabble) just abandon the game for hours or days on end, and if I am losing and have no hope of getting anything going (i.e. I KNOW what letters are left and what is possible score-wise) I end the game by forfeiting, because, the agony might be drawn out for 'the days' as my 21 year old son might say. I will often in the chat say 'good game, got nothing to work with' but I've played about 500 of these games in the past few years, and it's just not worth sticking it out to the bitter end, which might be agony for days, if I'm 100 points behind with no prospects...that being said, I did not forfeit on you in any game, Ms. Vandenbrouke, and would never forfeit on a friend. Hope this allows some perspective...your random players who've played a lot of games, know the odds and are only minimizing a long and torturous defeat they know is inevitable. On another subject, don't EVEN get me started on the cheat sites....;-)

Kim Vandenbroucke

That is an interesting perspective Colleen, thanks for sharing!

Like I said in the article above I'm okay with the resignation if it's towards the end of the game and there's no hope (and I love that you send a note saying good game!) BUT I do wonder about the people who start off on the wrong foot and resign after only a couple turns. There is a catch up factor in these word games and just because you start off a little slow isn't a sure-fire indictor that you're going to lose. I understand that it's frustrating to drag out a losing game for a couple days but it's impossible for everyone to win! Still, maybe it's just my competitive nature that gives me joy in a great comeback (even if I get close and still lose!)

Terrie Anderson

I just posted your column to all my opponents on Words with Friends. Fortunately, I know them all and none of them quit.

Kim Vandenbroucke

Thanks for sharing Terrie!

Colleen McCarthy-Evans

One more pitch for forgiving those of us who forfeit/resign in Games with Strangers....
You could also think of it like you're in a poker game, and one player just 'knows when to hold 'em, knows when to fold 'em...knows when to walk away, knows when to run...' in the immortal words of Kenny Rogers...
And on another note, it's sorta like one of those marathon Monopoly games when your brother, sister or cousin had Boardwalk, Park Place and all the utilities and railroads, and the game lasted a week...
Now I'm sure I've 'beaten the horse to death', in the immortal words of Peggy Brown.
Time to sleep....zzzz
;-)

Mary Kay Russell

Great post Kim - I can feel the frustration in your words!

Kim Vandenbroucke

Oh no Colleen -- now I have that Kenny Rogers song in my head!!! LOL!

And that's why I don't play Monopoly. :)

Colleen McCarthy-Evans

;-)

David

What I cannot find online is whether the player who resigns manages to avoid a "loss" against his or her career record (and, coincidentally, deprives the opponent of a "win"). Do you know?

Joy

David, if you resign, it's considered a loss.

Terlinguadesertwillow

I play to play. The game is over when you are out of tiles or out of moves. Yea if I win or Shoot I lost, but I play the game to play not just to win! I hate when someone resigns. Not out to just collect wins but to play a game I love and learn new words and get better by watching how others play. Wanna play? 😀

Kim Vandenbroucke

I completely agree regarding playing to get better. I love a good game, even if I don't win. As long as it was a good fight, it was worth the time spent.

Terri Smith (Stormy)

When I'm winning, I have an opponent who has begun to resign toward the end of the game if it's obvious to him that he is losing. (He would have won one of these times, but he got upset and just resigned because the THOUGHT he couldn't win.) Now He resigns every time he is losing.

Does this take away my win?

Cindy S

I just played a random game where the opponent resigned in a very close game where I was going to win. I had two tiles left. The opponent resigned and I checked our head to head stats and saw that I did not get the win, so I have a feeling they did not get the loss. I have also noticed that the people who resign in this fashion tend to have very high win stats. I consider this cheating and it's difficult to be impressed with their wins when they manipulate their scores.

Kim Vandenbroucke

I'm with you Cindy -- it really takes the pleasure away from the win when someone resigns after they know they're going to lose. It's sad there are so many people who do that sort of thing just to improve their stats.

SEG

I've played a certain opponent many times before and enjoyed the game but then they developed the habit of resigning early, or declining. Whether they're ahead of me or behind in score makes no difference. They are listed at the top of my score board to so what is going on? Do they do this tonothers too, as a way of getting ahead? I don't understand. It is common courtesy and for me, I enjoy the game and don't spoil it for others by this behavior. I haven't found this to happen with anyone else. I agree it is just common courtesy to play to the end. I play a game to enjoy and learn, whether I win or lose.

Anthony bell

So I want to know, if someone resigns while playing WWF do they get the lost and you receive the win?

Ellen Van Horn

I'm in the camp that agrees ya play the game to the end. It's good sportsmanship to allow the winner his high score against you. Ya gotta take your lumps! I wouldn't think of resigning and in so doing cut someone's points for their victory! How petty! Now, someone resigned, disallowing a natural finish to our game and affectively knocking down my game score, and I go to ask him in a message," how come you resigned?", but as the game is over I actually hit "rematch"! What do I do to get out of this? I don't want to lose, I want to disengage! Can I not form a word and it will time out? Help!

Connie

All of my Words with Friends games say I resigned when I did not...anyone else have this happen?

Dianne

Another annoying thing about having an opponent resign the game early on: yes, you get the win, but a score of say 167 trashes your average game score.

Ian

Here's another scenario. I was introduced to the game by a friend. Now, I play when I'm in the mood but that's not every day or every several days. I can go for a while without logging on. I've actually "lost" games where I was way ahead just because I had pushed it to the side for a week+. I come back ready to play but I've "lost" because of the asinine time constraints built into the game. That really soured me.

Lise Miler

The WWF app resigns me even when my opponent is in agreement when my work loads are heavy. I had great letters (Zs,Js,Bs,Ys & blanks) + I NEVER Resign. WWF resigned me from 2 games in the last 2 days (strangers had invited me) & I was AHEAD! I have seen others who report the WWF resigning players in 36 hours. I travel off grid & had major work deadlines where it's hard to keep up with more than my 86 year old father's games. Maybe these other opponents were victims of auto-resign. I hate it.
It once was 22 days without a move but half that now & I as I reported earlier, even 36 hours for some. I hate that Zynga changed. I cannot work, tend family & keep plays going when traveling or work is crazy. Plus this past week I had computer issues & won't play on my phone. If my opponents don't mind-they have multiple games going--why should Zynga? I sent a Customer Service complaint/request for how to stop auto resign or reinstate games. Not holding my breath. So those other of you who posted about this Auto-Resign. It's likely called for time. Idiotic. Never had it happen in Scrabble!

Kim

Can I just say, I don't understand when words with friends says I resigned from games, and they disappear from my game board, and appear a lot later saying I resigned, and not only that I was in the lead, what happens there. I know I have never resigned from a game ????

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